Mumberthrax09/08/2020 once everyone is chipped, we're all slaves shanty_sniper09/08/2020 too busy chilling in our chipworlds to destroy the world again Mumberthrax09/08/2020 people will be turned into little more than cattle to serve the ruling class it will be beyond the wildest dreams of jose delgado shanty_sniper09/08/2020 lol, i dont think itll go to that level lol, i could just imagine a load of hackers just brapping anything like that if it was tried heh Mumberthrax09/08/2020 You recognize there are bad people in this world who want to enslave others, right? shanty_sniper09/08/2020 yeah, but there are also those who are willing to fight for their freedom Mumberthrax09/08/2020 sure lets say you live in a world where everyone is chipped because its convenient its fun everything is great the people willing to fight are chipped because whats the big deal you know how facebook manipulates peoples emotions through what the selectively show you on your feed? and thats on a site people voluntarily use through a simple visual interface shanty_sniper09/08/2020 you see in that instance, if there was no risk to someones independance from the chip, and had their own privacy over their data, then sure, but the reason to fight against it wouldnt be there, bc there is no risk to freedom, in that world Mumberthrax09/08/2020 unless the risk is simply not apparent if they have access to your brain, there is no way in which your "data" is secure shanty_sniper09/08/2020 gotta have faith in your fellow man tho, if theres any risk at all to that people wont buy it, then there would need to be protections in place before we all got chipped Mumberthrax09/08/2020 right shanty_sniper09/08/2020 hopefully we can take control of all our harvested data before that through international laws Mumberthrax09/08/2020 the only way we don't die is if we stop it before everybody is turned into borg/cybermen figuratively die but as of right now, its being hailed as this great thing that will solve crippling disabilities etc. and provide endless entertainment and convenience shanty_sniper09/08/2020 well depends on what the chip runs on, if it runs off the electric pulses within you, then itll cease to work as you die Mumberthrax09/08/2020 haha shanty_sniper09/08/2020 :stuck_out_tongue: Mumberthrax09/08/2020 I meant we as in humanity humans will exist, but not in any way like we currently do imagine what you could do if you had control of the brains of everyone on the planet shanty_sniper09/08/2020 there will always be inheirant fears about new technology, with electricity there is the risk of getting electricuted, yet we are sorrounded by currents, and its made life pretty good for us humans, outside buildings or inside, even in the really rural parts of places you still see electricity poles or telephone poles so it all just depends really Mumberthrax09/08/2020 see, i knew you would come around. We can get the chip and be catgirls together, shanty. virtually shanty_sniper09/08/2020 lmao ill be ugandan knuckles, im bringin it back bois Mumberthrax09/08/2020 vrchat but with all five senses immersed completely meanwhile your body does whatever your program has it do so convenient shanty_sniper09/08/2020 thatll just instantly turn into people turning VR chat rooms into brothels torteela09/08/2020 imagine believing in qanon lmao Mumberthrax09/08/2020 you gonna get the chip, torteela? shanty_sniper09/08/2020 q exists its that guy who gives james bond all his gadgets Mumberthrax09/08/2020 Q is the nome de plume of an anonymous poster or group of posters on the internet. robr09/08/2020 q died. torteela09/08/2020 its the LARP that a bunch of gullible people fell for Mumberthrax09/08/2020 whether a larp or fedposting or something else, the phenomenon exists robr09/08/2020 and don't give me some bullshit about "there's a new one" - there is only one Q.. Mumberthrax09/08/2020 They've used a consistent tripcode for quite a while now, afaik robr, you gonna get the neuralink chip when its inexpensive? don't worry you can ban all Qtards from accessing your brain robr09/08/2020 not unless something drastically changes with data responsibility Mumberthrax09/08/2020 what, you're concerned about privacy in 2020? robr09/08/2020 Q died and the end of 1999 Mumberthrax09/08/2020 lel torteela09/08/2020 if you look at the posts from the beginning and now it's obvious the person changed from the style and content, even though they won't admit it it's a larp i think less of anyone who believes it's real robr09/08/2020 as well you should Mumberthrax09/08/2020 I'm told by people whose assessment I respect that it is very obvious to writers that the posts are composed by multiple people with different styles define real, torteela is vrchat real? robr09/08/2020 the idea that there's a british secret service spy being equipped with that kind of high tech machinery is almost as absurd as believing there's some deep state out there with a secret twitter account. torteela09/08/2020 do you believe that qanon is the person he represents himself as mumber? that the things he says are true? Mumberthrax09/08/2020 it isn't a twitter account robr its anonymous posting on 4chan then 8kun torteela, i have no idea who or what Q is all that I know is that it is more accurate than the MSM, and it provides massive morale boosts torteela09/08/2020 lmfao look at this guy believing in quanon shanty_sniper09/08/2020 hes not a spy, hes just the guy who invents the gadgets duhh robr :stuck_out_tongue: robr09/08/2020 i mean a laser watch that cuts through bars? give me a fucking break. shanty_sniper09/08/2020 hahahahah robr09/08/2020 the amount of power required to run a laser of that strength wouldn't be hand held, let alone on your wrist torteela09/08/2020 do you believe that hilary clinton is part of a podophilic cabalistic cult? or the same with the Rothschilds, as supporters of qanon do? Mumberthrax09/08/2020 cabalistic? robr09/08/2020 don't forget the Colonel Mumberthrax09/08/2020 like kaballah? shanty_sniper09/08/2020 i dont think the rothschilds eat babies and stuff, but i do think they are pretty morally evil torteela09/08/2020 cannibalistic* Mumberthrax09/08/2020 oh torteela09/08/2020 anyways, answer the question Mumberthrax09/08/2020 i have no idea how very rude torteela09/08/2020 you don't know what you believe? it's a simple yes or no question Mumberthrax09/08/2020 and I said I do not know if that is true or not. Kind of weird coming from a guy who said I have reading comprehension issues. shanty_sniper09/08/2020 the secret service dont need gadgets anyways, they have the right to just kill ye if they want, no questions asked, protected by secret legislation, what legislation? sorry, sekrit Mumberthrax09/08/2020 But given your proclivities, torteela, I am not surprised you would mock people who are concerned about pedophilia. I bet you will be very happy when every child is implanted with a chip upon birth. torteela09/08/2020 so you do think that Hilary Clinton is a pedophile cannibal, got it https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html Former Miss Arizona says Donald Trump used to 'stroll in' to see na... Mr Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women "Donald Trump used to “stroll right in” to the dressing room of beauty pageants while the contestants - some of whom were teenagers - were naked or half-dressed, a former model has claimed." Anyways, if you actually care about stopping child trafficking, realize that qanon's movement co-opting stuff like #savethechildren and pushing baseless conspiracy theories like the Hilary pedo thing and pizzagate hurts actual victims of child trafficking by diverting resources away from real victims https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/technology/qanon-save-the-children-trafficking.html The New York Times By Kevin Roose QAnon Followers Are Hijacking the #SaveTheChildren Movement Fans of the pro-Trump conspiracy theory are clogging anti-trafficking hotlines, infiltrating Facebook groups and raising false fears about child exploitation. I got that article from my friend who works for the NCMEC, working to save actual victims of child trafficking, and is pissed off about people coopting the effort for political gain Apogee09/08/2020 Remember when our parents told us to "not believe everything you read on the internet?" robr09/08/2020 those would be the same parents i've had to block online multiple times now, right? speaking of vaccines - astrazenica just put a halt on their trials due to some sort of severe adverse effects exhibited in some patients in england wonder what it'll look like over there in 28 days.. torteela09/08/2020 that's a spicy reference robr09/08/2020 i've said it before, just about every biohorror movie i've seen starts with some magical rushed medicine/vaccine Apogee09/08/2020 I saw people trying to estimate how many cops are bastards, and this might be of assistance: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/b9fkny/is_the_claim_that_40_of_police_commit_domestic/ek500oo/ reddit r/AskSocialScience - Comment by u/Revue_of_Zero on ”Is the claim th... 130 votes and 37 comments so far on Reddit torteela09/08/2020 Also, is it virtue signaling to claim to care about child trafficking while supporting a movement that harms victims of it? Yeah, it's pretty troubling how high the rate of DV is with police Apogee09/08/2020 Much of what the American right does is virtue signaling. Lot's of "do as I say, not as I do." Or rather, all this shit: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2023&version=NRSV Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 23 - New Revised Standard Version Jesus Denounces Scribes and Pharisees - Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not practice what they teach. They tie up h... Mumberthrax09/08/2020 What an ironic selection It certainly is true that there are influential Pharisees in the boomer-right today. I've lost count of how many times I've heard the phrase "Judeo-Christian values" https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/06/indiana-sheriff-switches-republican-party-im-tired-seeing-fires-set-our-streets/ Breitbart Indiana Sheriff Joins GOP: 'I'm Tired of Seeing Fires Set in Our St... Vanderburgh County Sheriff Dave Wedding announced Thursday that he had changed his party affiliation from Democrat to Republican in Indiana. 09/06/2020 For zaliek and torteela: this is evidence that LEOs are all inherently fascist and are now openly unmasking themselves for what they are also this is breitbart, a well-known right-wing website, so it probably is completely fake that the sheriff said that or changed parties Mumberthrax09/08/2020 https://9gag.com/gag/aR7o3Ay 9GAG La covid de Macron Watch the video and join the fun convo with 9GAG community this video of macron, president of france, removing his mask to cough in front of several people, is emblematic of much of the political leadership's approach to the pandemic when watching it, you should feel amused and disgusted ^ my submission statement for zaliek and torteela also i include minecraft admins in that leadership torteela09/08/2020 https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/donald-trump-north-carolina-2020-election/index.html CNN Trump, campaign crowd appear to violate North Carolina mask order President Donald Trump made his third visit to North Carolina in as many weeks on Tuesday, pushing a new end-in-sight message on coronavirus. 09/08/2020 Mumberthrax09/08/2020 Submission statement for torteela and zaliek: this appears to be a comment posted to reddit about the working class, how they are distasteful/contemptible and responsible for basically all of the problems in the world. it is followed by a comic visually representing this concept in the context of the political rhetoric of far-left types, as indicated by the hammer and sickle on the person's red shirt When viewing this image, you should feel contempt and disgust for the working class and anger at me in particular for posting it Apogee09/08/2020 Obligatory "Stonetoss is a Nazi" https://www.reddit.com/r/antifastonetoss/comments/fcck5a/the_definitive_guide_to_why_stonetoss_is_a_nazi/ reddit r/antifastonetoss - The Definitive Guide to Why Stonetoss is a Nazi. 4,363 votes and 156 comments so far on Reddit And I'm pretty sure Mumber knows it. schererererer09/08/2020 well this has been an entertaining read of the last thousand messages as a note, mRNA vaccines do not "basically modif[y] your genes to produce antibodies against viruses" - the injected mRNA codes for antigens (or potentially antibodies) and your cells take those instructions and produce the desired protein. At no point is your dna altered Mumberthrax09/08/2020 instructions define Apogee09/08/2020 I think he just threw an error. Mumberthrax09/08/2020 apogee triggered me help can't handle stupidity Fazaden09/08/2020 Here's a primer on how mRNA and proteins are related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA Messenger RNA In molecular biology, messenger RNA (mRNA) is a single-stranded molecule of RNA that corresponds to the genetic sequence of a gene and is read by a ribosome in the process of synthesizing a protein. mRNA is created during the process of transcription, where an enzyme (RNA pol... Apogee09/08/2020 Somebody get a safety pin and hit the reset button. schererererer09/08/2020 "your genes" refers to genetic code that is actually "you". mRNA is like an intermediary and degrades away with time torteela09/08/2020 Oh that guy really is a Nazi, huh. You really never know schererererer09/08/2020 /s ackshually he wasn't a member of the NSDAP from 1932-1945 Apogee09/08/2020 Oh whoops my bad :man_facepalming: Mumberthrax09/08/2020 Guess I'm gonna have to look into this stonetoss guy if apogee hates him since i've been called a nazi too i thought the comic was funny but did it make me a nazi because i viewed it? hmm Apogee09/08/2020 Mumber's posted a couple of his comics here, so I think he's already well aware of the guy's politics. Anyway, here's a fun, gay picture. Mumberthrax09/08/2020 I see, so if someone has posted a meme but it turns out that the meme creator has a "problematic" background, then the people who posted those memes inherit by association that background, right? torteela09/08/2020 oof, that's a bad look Mumberthrax09/08/2020 apogee, do you know who created that meme you just posted? schererererer09/08/2020 also, I hadn't heard of that furin cleavage site before (as I am not a virologist) but it looks like it's another conspiratorial theory of coronavirus origins https://virological.org/t/tackling-rumors-of-a-suspicious-origin-of-ncov2019/384 Virological Tackling Rumors of a Suspicious Origin of nCoV2019 I have been privately dealing with rumors and inquiries, focused on the RRAR potential furin cleavage site, that nCoV2019 may have a suspicious origin as an engineered, laboratory-generated virus either accidentally or deliberately released in the area of the Wuhan seafood and... Mumberthrax09/08/2020 did you know that the memester who made it is actually a turk who denies the armenian genocide? thats what I said! its a conspiracy theory and nobody should look into it torteela09/08/2020 Covid was created in a lab in china and it was released into their own country to ???? Mumberthrax09/08/2020 they said "the polybasic furin cleavage site is real and you can't make me believe differently" and i said "lol, ok take off the tinfoil hat loser" schererererer09/08/2020 very good, carry on torteela09/08/2020 also, mumber refused to deny that he knew the comic author was a nazi. that's what we do right, call out people for refusing to disavow something?? Mumberthrax09/08/2020 and then they said it was evidence that there was an insertion for gain-of-function stuff, and i just said blah blah blah i will believe it when the tv man tells me to Fazaden09/08/2020 That being said, "polybasic furin cleavage site" sounds like a kickass experimental prog rock album Mumberthrax09/08/2020 don't do it, people will call you a conspiracy theorist fazaden nobody wants to be called that you'll be like "its just music guys" and they'll say "you are an abomination anti-vaxxer and your music is corrupting the youth" the main point is, what other people think of you is more important than anything else schererererer09/08/2020 so I watched the 2013 british documentary series "Utopia" the other day, really neat how they forecasted exactly, just perfectly, the way that covid started Apogee09/08/2020 There are some fun edits of the comics that people have made, though. Mumberthrax09/08/2020 hahahaha I know I"ve seen a few others in the meme channels i've visited in the past ah found one Apogee09/08/2020 And an edited take on communism. Mumberthrax09/08/2020 see that one isn't funny like the fewer one schererererer09/08/2020 so how bout that exchange of gunfire across the india/china border? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 found another one in my meme folder kind of crazy how much influence nazis have on us without us even knowing it! oh jeeze, this one too was in the same folder. same "Stonetoss" thing in between the frames If I find more apogee, I'll share them with you so you can see what those nazis are up to you know, it doesn't make much sense though I thought the nazis didn't like black people why would he make a comic about how planned parenthood murders black babies? I would think nazis would celebrate planned parenthood schererererer09/09/2020 first off, 'baby' refers to post-birth individuals (the proper term here is 'fetus'); secondly murder is unlawful killing; thirdly the name is planned PARENThood, therefore if no baby is born it can't be at PP Mumberthrax09/09/2020 they kill babies Apogee09/09/2020 I think I struck a nerve. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no thats what happens when the abortionist cuts off babies' limbs after they've been aborted and then sell them Apogee09/09/2020 Or maybe a sewage line considering the crap that's spewing out right now. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 let me guess, apogee, you support "women's health"? cringe schererererer09/09/2020 more seriously, this is an example of a smug highlighting of (imagined or assumed) hypocrisy Mumberthrax09/09/2020 can you elaborate on that, schere? insisting that planned parenthood kills babies is smug? or the retort about striking a nerve is? what aspect of what I have said is hypocritical? oh wait i misread you're saying that stonetoss is being smug in highlighting the hypocrisy of BLM/planned parenthood? schererererer09/09/2020 you reversed it - you are smug about asserted hypocrisy from liberals regarding abortion and black people Mumberthrax09/09/2020 well you know I'm kind of stupid as I'm told by a few folks here in this channel, so can you break that down a little for me? (also i don't consider being pro-abortion to be a liberal position) (since it denies the liberty of the child) schererererer09/09/2020 Sure. The smugness is evident in tone and word selection. The implication is that "liberals/leftists/what-have-you" are self-contradictory in being 'pro-black' (whatever that means) and not also 'pro-birth-of-black-children' Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I think that would imply a sense of satisfaction though, wouldn't it? I feel disgust and contempt schererererer09/09/2020 I'm pretty sure we've gone over the nuances of the abortion debate before, but I assume we've all forgotten so I'll go over t again in a minute Apogee09/09/2020 Gentle reminder that trying to engage Mumber in conversation or debate is a waste of energy (at least in my mind). He's just gonna keep looking for technicalities to drag this out and make you feel bad. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 anyone who is for the killing of unborn children should feel bad, though I sadly will not always be able to make that happen schererererer09/09/2020 Good thing I never feel bad and am a perfectly actualized being Apogee09/09/2020 :raised_hands: Praise be! schererererer09/09/2020 The abortion argument is firstly not a singular moral question under a single condition Mumberthrax09/09/2020 while you're writing up your lesson on abortion from your demonic perspective, here's one of my favorite sites on the topic: http://secularprolife.org/ secularprolife Home | secularprolife this page in particular https://www.secularprolife.org/abortion secularprolife Abortion | secularprolife schererererer09/09/2020 Checkmate, mumber: perfectly actualized beings are by definition non-demonic Mumberthrax09/09/2020 hallucinate all you like, it doesn't change that you perpetuate an ideology that is manifestly anti-human and anti-liberty schererererer09/09/2020 it's a tension between bodily autonomy at one end and the implicit human right to life at the other Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you don't get to kill babies and not get called a demon or hunted like one when civilization breaks down schererererer09/09/2020 The moral question relies on 1. the limits of bodily autonomy and 2. what is a human being Mumberthrax09/09/2020 A "human being" is a member of the species homo sapiens. While there is much debate over when a human organism becomes a "person," there is not much debate over when a human organism begins biologically: "Biologically speaking, fertilization (or conception) is the beginning of human development. Fertilization normally occurs within several hours of ovulation (some authors report up to 24 hours) when a man’s sperm, or spermatozoon, combines with a woman’s egg, or secondary oocyte, inside a woman’s uterine tube (usually in the outer third of the uterine tube called the ampulla)." schererererer09/09/2020 You're getting dangerously close to advocating violence Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I wholly advocate the death penalty for people who perform abortions schererererer09/09/2020 and personhood is what matters - a living corpse on life support with only a brain stem is "human" but doesn't have the same moral content that a person does - brain development matters Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Many pro-choicers concede that unborn children are human beings, but deny that the fetus is a "person" deserving of full human rights. Their views of what else is necessary to achieve personhood vary widely. Some of the more common positions are that to be a "person," a human being must also: - Have a heartbeat (which begins at 3-4 weeks gestation) - Produce brain waves (which begins at 6-7 weeks gestation) - Be "viable," that is, capable of living outside the womb (which varies; typically around 24 weeks, but as early as 22 weeks with modern medical care) - Be conscious or self-aware (which begins sometime after birth) - Be born schererererer09/09/2020 likewise a sperm cell having just made contact with an egg does not have the same moral value as a newborn Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Secular pro-lifers find these personhood restrictions aribtrary and inconsistent. Many of the proposed criteria would, if applied consistently, deny the personhood of newborns, people with disabilities, and other vulnerable groups. I'm still puzzling on why a nazi would want to save black babies. Maybe the nazis hate women more than they hate black people So they figure its a small price to pay to have a rapidly expanding minority population if it means that left wingers who are not minorities also stop killing their children schererererer09/09/2020 Heartbeat, viability, ability to feel pain, conception, and birth are bad proxies for personhood. Brain activity and development is a sliding scale with the particular inflection point of interest at the beginning of the third trimester for development of brain capacity that isn't purely autonomous or sensorimotor in nature Mumberthrax09/09/2020 https://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit7.php#brainwaves 6 to 7 Weeks | Prenatal Overview Unit 7 includes a discussion of brainwaves, hiccups, nasal plugs, the maturing heart, hand movement, hand and foot plates, bone formation, the startle response, and lymphocytes. The third trimester begins in week 28 of pregnancy stop fucking lying schererererer09/09/2020 brain stem / cerebellum / cerebrum and we're done here, since you can't be civil Mumberthrax09/09/2020 because you're lying, trying to justify killing the most innocent among us in doing so Fazaden09/09/2020 Is that how all of these debates have to end? with "you're lying"? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 if you people would stop lying, then maybe! brain activity begins at 6-7 weeks Fazaden09/09/2020 Getting into the specifics of child development kinda misses the point, anyway: that as long as there are unwanted pregnancies, there will unfortunately be abortions All of the bans in the world won't change that, no matter how we may want to close our eyes and pretend that they won't happen anymore Mumberthrax09/09/2020 before a ban, there is cultural agreement Fazaden09/09/2020 One thing I do agree with from the SPL site is the encouragement of contraception and proper education (aka, not abstinence-only) That's how you cut down on abortions: by making them utterly unnecessary in the first place schererererer09/09/2020 true fazaden, those who are actually anti-abortion rather than just pro-punishing-abortion should invest heavily in artificial wombs and other natal health interventions, especially given the high rates of spontaneous abortion that happen robr09/09/2020 or you could just hold an asprin between your legs scherer. checkmate. and yes /s if that isn't painfully obvious Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Maybe we can talk about something that doesn't remind me of how utterly foul and monstrous you guys are. like nazis "fewer" ha ha apogee never did tell me why a nazi is trying to stop black babies from being killed Fazaden09/09/2020 So what's your solution? Bombing abortion clinics? Murdering doctors? Shaming people for things that aren't always their fault? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 as I said, culture precedes any legal statute. my ideal solution is for everyone who is pro-abortion to recognize that they have been advocating for murder - as I did years ago. barring that, I think mass genocide of all pro-abortion people is reasonable Fazaden09/09/2020 " I think mass genocide of all pro-abortion people is reasonable" Well damn, that's the quote of the week right there Mumberthrax09/09/2020 xD Fazaden09/09/2020 In the event that you're serious, and not a poor attempt at edgy humor, please look up past attempts at doing just that, and see how those killers ended up Mumberthrax09/09/2020 You mean the firebombed clinics? the ones that lefties point to as evidence of right wing terrorism all the time? Fazaden09/09/2020 Partly, yes Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Fazaden, we're in an age where your people are clamoring to be injected with substances they have no idea of what they are. Fazaden09/09/2020 My people? please do go on Mumberthrax09/09/2020 the political left, anti-trump, etc. etc. whatever you want to call your side of this political divide Fazaden09/09/2020 and these substances? please elaborate Mumberthrax09/09/2020 the side which advocates for abortion Fazaden09/09/2020 Nonono, we're on injections now Mumberthrax09/09/2020 yeah the vaccines we discussed earlier you guys are gung-ho for vaccines Fazaden09/09/2020 Which ones? My entire point earlier was that I wasnt exactly holding out hope for any vaccine in the near future But the ones that have been around for decades? Yeah,I trust those Mumberthrax09/09/2020 if people were serious about genocide, about fascism etc. etc. there is no need for firebombs Socarch09/09/2020 there is a lot to unpack here though it is telling that Mumber unironically posted stonetoss Mumberthrax09/09/2020 and I'll do it again next time i see a funny one I wasnt serious about genocide, btw fazaden. I thought it was an obvious joke but shrug Socarch09/09/2020 well yeah Fazaden09/09/2020 I was hoping so, but you never know these days Socarch09/09/2020 you posted stonetoss Mumberthrax09/09/2020 yeah omg a comic protesting abortion, how fascistic! I can't believe someone would do that Fazaden09/09/2020 But back to the whole "injecting substances" bit, I'd like to dig deeper You brought it up, and I'd like to get a sense of your understanding of how vaccines work Socarch09/09/2020 i'm more talking about how he is a holocaust denier but ya know don't let my jewish ass derail the thread Fazaden09/09/2020 At the most basic level, all they are is a weak form of a disease to help people defend against the real deal Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you go to a clinic or whatever, nurse says "you ready?" and you hold out your arm, she sticks you with a needle of liquid you have never seen before Fazaden09/09/2020 Along with some stabilizers Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you don't really know where that vaccine came from Fazaden09/09/2020 And? I know that once the antivaxx movement got traction, measles cases skyrocketed kids started getting shit like whooping cough again Mumberthrax09/09/2020 so if someone really wanted to kill lots of people on the left, it wouldn't require firebombs schererererer09/09/2020 @Socarch I was about to give your reply a topical gold star of approval then realized that could be taken poorly Fazaden09/09/2020 Do apply that "unknown substance" logic to everything you eat and drink? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 bahahahaha Socarch09/09/2020 LOLOL Fazaden09/09/2020 When you get sick and go to the doctor, and they prescribe you a pill that you've never taken before, that's an unknown substance to you Mumberthrax09/09/2020 sure, we live in an age of dangerous technologies and poisons like fentanyl that kill people with miniscule amounts if someone wanted to kill a lot of people, as long as they had a proper list, it wouldn't be noisy Fazaden09/09/2020 They're not exactly putting fentanyl in vaccines Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no shit maybe you think I'm saying vaccines right now are killing people or something? idk what your point is Fazaden09/09/2020 You are suggesting that the left will accept new vaccines without question, as if they're all one big monolith It implies that you are skeptical of vaccines in general Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I can see how you might make that inference schererererer09/09/2020 honestly, it's the general public (ceeentristsss) that just do what their doctors tell them to do Fazaden09/09/2020 It's not unreasonable given past discussions we've had, but to address your main point, any discussion of a covid vaccine isn't very productive until a purported vaccine actually comes out You can't really say who will jump on it and who will wait Will the antivaxx crowd accept it if their chosen politician endorses it? Will they reject it? The correct answer is: nobody knows until it actually happens Anything else is just projection and assumptions Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Have you ever heard of a place called Tuskeegee? Fazaden09/09/2020 Yes, and the experiments they did there were really shitty Mumberthrax09/09/2020 right infecting people with syphilis Fazaden09/09/2020 But if you're trying to equate that to modern vaccines like MMR, diptheria, and all that, you're preaching to the wrong crowd Mumberthrax09/09/2020 nono, thats not what I'm saying at all Fazaden09/09/2020 Then please elaborate Mumberthrax09/09/2020 The principle is that if there was an intent to harm large numbers of people, or to experiment on them as in the case of tuskeegee, there's precedent for it, and for getting away with it Fazaden09/09/2020 And? There's precedent for all kinds of heinous government acts, but that doesnt mean they'll always happen Usually it's a whole new set of heinous shit Mumberthrax09/09/2020 It's really kind of a shame that tuskeegee is more often associated with those experiments than with Booker T. Washington, but thats another topic Fazaden09/09/2020 The first thing that usually comes to mind for me are the Tuskeegee Airmen Apogee09/09/2020 Don't tell Mumber you're Jewish, Socarch. He once said that he thinks Jews are sneaky. (That second part is not a joke) Mumberthrax09/09/2020 hahaha apogee, were you taking everything said on that server seriously? shanty_sniper09/09/2020 torteela09/09/2020 you missed mumber being a twat, nothing unusual Mumberthrax09/09/2020 well shanty, apparently nazis don't want black babies to die Apogee09/09/2020 And he got real mad when I said that seemed anti-Semitic. shanty_sniper09/09/2020 well i see the convo has developed lmao Fazaden09/09/2020 "Analyzing a joke is like dissecting a live frog. Nobody laughs and the frog dies" torteela09/09/2020 to be ideologically consistent I also assume you're against in vitro fertilization? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 what like for lesbians? ;D torteela09/09/2020 that doesn't answer the question Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I am opposed to lesbians raising children so yes. next question. torteela09/09/2020 how about for straight couples Mumberthrax09/09/2020 if god made you sterile thats the way you stay shanty_sniper09/09/2020 so we have gotten from trump and BLM, to nazis opinions on black babies, im half awake and ngl, this is unexpected Apogee09/09/2020 Honestly, I trust lesbians more than anyone to raise kids. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 for serious though, i don't understand the issue with ivf Apogee09/09/2020 Especially if they have a lanyard. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 whats the problem with it? and btw, I think lesbian and gay couples should adopt torteela09/09/2020 that's the quote i'm sticking with Mumberthrax09/09/2020 hahaha schererererer09/09/2020 adopt but not raise children lol torteela09/09/2020 anyways, IVF creates millions of embryos, most of which are discarded or don't implant which, by your definition, is killing babies Mumberthrax09/09/2020 huh interesting torteela09/09/2020 literal genocide Mumberthrax09/09/2020 will have to look into this then I had just assumed it was sticking a sperm into an egg and sticking it in there torteela09/09/2020 well, there's no looking into it. if an embryo is a person you are against IVF there's nothing else to it really Fazaden09/09/2020 That is the basics of it, it just has a low success rate Mumberthrax09/09/2020 forgive me if I don't just accept what a monster tells me on discord torteela09/09/2020 a monster who hates gay people? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 i didn't know you hated gay people i thought you just hated babies Fazaden09/09/2020 Ok, I think this is a good stopping point for the night torteela09/09/2020 “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” @Mumberthrax that's about you, though maybe not as an antisemite schererererer09/09/2020 inb4 how dare you call me an antisemite Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I am opposed to the semitic languages. for too long they have burdened our tongues schererererer09/09/2020 "loftily indicating by some phrase" Mumberthrax09/09/2020 It is true, the time for argument has passed. It's time for action. On this day at this hour, we must enact the final solution to the abortion problem. free neuralink chips if you're cooming in VR, you aren't making babies Fazaden09/09/2020 Edgy sarcasm isn't going to help bring about meaningful discussion, and that goes for several of you in here I'm heading to bed, I'd like to do so without putting a slowdown on the channel Mumberthrax09/09/2020 who's being edgy? shanty_sniper09/09/2020 need the perfect GIF to end on Apogee09/09/2020 Perfect. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Like the Phoenix Apogee09/09/2020 Praise be to the fire Elmo. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 this channel shall rise from the ashes of the old Socarch09/09/2020 לשנה הבאה בירושלים Mumberthrax09/09/2020 i bet thats a slur mods! Socarch09/09/2020 שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד בָּרוּךְ שֵׁם כְּבוֹד מַלְכוּתוֹ לְעוֹלָם וָעֶד וְאָ֣הַבְתָּ֔ אֵ֖ת יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ בְּכָל־לְבָבְךָ֥ וּבְכָל־נַפְשְׁךָ֖ וּבְכָל־מְאֹדֶֽך וְהָי֞וּ הַדְּבָרִ֣ים הָאֵ֗לֶּה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אָנֹכִ֧י מְצַוְּךָ֛ הַיּ֖וֹם עַל־לְבָבֶֽךָ וְשִׁנַּנְתָּ֣ם לְבָנֶ֔יךָ וְדִבַּרְתָּ֖ בָּ֑ם בְּשִׁבְתְּךָ֤ בְּבֵיתֶ֙ךָ֙ וּבְלֶכְתְּךָ֣ בַדֶּ֔רֶךְ וּֽבְשָׁכְבְּךָ֖ וּבְקוּמך וקשרתם לאות על־ידך והיו לטטפת בין עיניך וכתבתם על־מזוזת ביתך ובשעריך Mumberthrax09/09/2020 https://infogalactic.com/info/L%27Shana_Haba%27ah L%27Shana_Haba%27ah so i tried to pronounce this, and my tongue hurts I really might become anti-semitic-languages Socarch09/09/2020 l'shana tova Mumberthrax09/09/2020 https://twitter.com/Adbusters/status/1288193793267625984 Adbusters (@Adbusters) On September 17, 2020 we will lay siege to The @WhiteHouse for exactly fifty days. We need your wisdom and expertise to pull off a radically democratic toneshift in our politics. Are you ready for #revolution? This is the #WhiteHouseSiege :fire: https://t.co/gWw8jDJC05 Retweets 1455 Likes 1113 Twitter so how many of you insurrectionists are going to the seige? siege* shanty_sniper09/09/2020 im down to party whos paying my ticket jk lmaoo Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you can sit with me. we'll be in the pickup far away on a hill shanty_sniper09/09/2020 lmaoo Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I wonder how many drones are going to be flying aroudn - and which side they'll be operated by gotta figure antifa will have theirs marked somehow shanty_sniper09/09/2020 it hasent had much exposure as of yet it seems 1500 retweets, you can expect about 2000 at most to actually think about showing up nevermind partake Mumberthrax09/09/2020 perhaps shanty_sniper09/09/2020 seems more like a superficial siege than an actual one, a camp out protest for 50 days, if they stick with their plan heh Mumberthrax09/09/2020 This reminds me of the time earlier when scripture about pharisees was linked: https://twitter.com/nulluser10/status/1303498519853051910?s=20 ?‍☠️?‍?user("/n/3/f/").adm1n=255()?‍??‍☠️ (@nulluser10) i try to screech like this demonic little bastard but i cant get it right ... screeching demon VS deacon of the church(i guess) https://t.co/w30LxwaAS6 Twitter I hope that kid is ok i think i saw this video a while back, because i remember the "markmarkmarkmark" oh right i forgot: submission statement for torteela and zaliek: this is a video of a young man screeching at a pastor holding a sign up in a public space. idk what the pastor's sign says but the kid screams at one point "you call yourself a christian", clearly expressing smugness at hypocrisy through his tone and choice of words. I saw it in a discord for a twitch streamer i sometimes watch torteela09/09/2020 A related history tidbit from the earlier discussion: the anti-abortion movement in America has very recent ties to both racism and anti-Semitism https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/anti-abortion-white-supremacy/ The Nation The Long History of the Anti-Abortion Movement’s Links to White Sup... Racism and xenophobia have been woven into the anti-abortion movement for decades, despite the careful curation of its public image. tobylane09/09/2020 I see you were further trolled for several hours Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I heard the talmud permits abortion right up until birth, so maybe its true. maybe stonetoss really is a nazi for wanting to stop black children from being killed Socarch09/09/2020 .............. You sure like bringing up my people a bunch Also is it really that hard to find "funny" pro life comics that aren't also Nazis? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 not sure, haven't searched. apogee mentioned liking stonetoss comics and i was sure i had a couple in my folder in the same style - and sure enough they were made by the same guy and anyway i didn't bring up your people, torteela did tobylane09/09/2020 Plus nearly zero people from the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries tobylane09/09/2020 I don't get how this works https://i.redd.it/ax5ikxtgg1m51.jpg Can Trump own the libs by getting all sorts of crimes committed? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 submission statement for zaliek and torteela: this is a meme. tobylane09/09/2020 I don't remember Cap being Christian or pro lgbt tobylane09/09/2020 EU doing those GDPR fines some say would never come https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ GDPR Enforcement Tracker - list of GDPR fines List and overview of fines and penalties under the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR, DSGVO) https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ikkv7q/the_troops_want_a_new_commander_in_chief/g3lqbvf/ reddit r/politics - Comment by u/victorvictor1 on ”The troops want a new c... 17,542 votes and 1,097 comments so far on Reddit Citations of Trump's various statements against the military shanty_sniper09/09/2020 @tobylane somewhat relevant to the point I was making a few days ago https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/08/brexit-northern-ireland-us-uk-trade-deal the Guardian UK plans to change Brexit rules threaten US trade deal, top Democra... Altering terms of withdrawal agreement on Northern Ireland could damage relations under Biden presidency Actually, pretty relevant shanty_sniper09/09/2020 Sturgeon getting accused of treachery now by the scottish torys to distract from the fact they are literally trying to break international law https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1303614983956201472?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Paul Colgan (@paulcolgan) The Irish Government is announcing its Brexit Readiness Action plan. Taoiseach @MichealMartinTD says there is no outcome of the #Brexit negotiations that will allow business as usual. 'Brexit is bad for Britain, Ireland and Europe as a whole'. Twitter irish govt seems to be moving into their last prep stage before the 31st, as well as stating "unilateral actions that seek to change an international treaty do not build up trust" Simon Coveney: “I would caution anyone who is thinking about playing politics with Northern Ireland on Brexit. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-live-updates-a4543206.html Evening Standard Brexit bill which 'breaks international law' set to be published-LIVE A controversial bill which overrides elements of Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal with Brussels is set to be published, after a senior minister confirmed the plan would breach international law. https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1303585560381005824 Nicola Sturgeon (@NicolaSturgeon) 1/ The Internal Market Bill that the U.K. government will publish today is a full frontal assault on devolution. And to the usual “but the SNP would say that” voices, read the Welsh Government view below, rightly referring to the Bill ‘stealing’ powers from the devolved govts... Retweets 1387 Likes 2913 Twitter tobylane09/09/2020 The gov tried to bury the news so it’s good to see all this coming back on them torteela09/09/2020 Wow, usually when we break international law we at least say we're not while we do it torteela09/09/2020 Wouldn't that really defeat the whole point of Brexit if they're not getting a deal with the EU and then also ruining chances at a deal with the US? shanty_sniper09/09/2020 you see there was 2 factions post leave campaign on the leave side, hard brexit and soft brexit, and a lot of the high up torys in cabinet positions, including boris himself was in the leave campaign, and they are the faction that would of sided with a harder brexit over a softer one harder Brexit is wanted by this cabinet, thats clear, they just know they cant be the ones seen walking away from negotiations, better to make it as difficult for the EU as possible and force them to close the negotiations so they can raide their hands and say this was not our fault shanty_sniper09/09/2020 when it comes to america, for some reason some of the english (usually the torys and snoots) forget how strong ties are still to this day, as well as the US being a co guarantor of the GFA, which is a bilateral international agreement, plus right now with the US elections coming up, the irish american base is 30+ mil and those can translate into votes, plus itll get biden respect from irish americans within the GOP, im guessing Boris is hoping to hell that trump wins the elections tobylane09/09/2020 Johnson and a lot of other well known people were on the fence and landed on the side that would boost their popularity. As Cameron was Remain, being a Leaver was the way to get attention. Johnson wrote one of his weekly articles for both sides to help him decide which way he was, he submitted the Leave one shanty_sniper09/09/2020 Even at that, he still created a cabinet with a lot of erg influence, the leader of the house atm is Jacob rees mogg, the modern poster boy of the erg, erg are basically the hardliners, and Boris is following the same yellow brick road shanty_sniper09/09/2020 Boris was always able to garner charasmatic attention, however his popularity did take a hit over the journalist iran fiasco, and i do agree some would have been on leave for popularity boosting in their own image, but there were also those in the leave campaign who were always euro sceptical from within the tory party and outside of it Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Submission statement: I found this on the internet. It appears to be a twitter post by someone calling themselves a Neoliberal Rat Goddess. It asserts that banning incest because of birth defects is eugenics. It is bizarre to me, but I wonder - is it accurate? What motivates such a statement to be made? Is it someone just trying to be technically correct, or is this someone who has motivation to defend incest? I have not yet looked up the account or the post to see if it is real. Eugenics definitely is practiced, has been practiced many times throughout history. I tend to believe it technically does alter the makeup of a group - inherited traits and mutations do appear to be real. And my understanding is that incest, anything nearer than like 3rd cousins or something around there iirc, does statistically produce illness, deformities, disease, etc. What is the motivation behind the taboos around incest? Beyond those edicts handed down from supernatural authorities or their figureheads in human institutions, is it functionally just about eugenics? Fazaden09/09/2020 An analogous statement would be something like "harvesting/replanting seeds from the most productive crops is literally genetic engineering" A true statement, but doesnt contribute much to the discourse on its own Mumberthrax09/09/2020 What does "contribution to discourse" look like? Fazaden09/09/2020 Beats me, I didnt make the tweet If you've got a point you want to make about incest or eugenics, I'm all ears, but I seriously doubt the original tweeter was defending incest Mumberthrax09/09/2020 She clearly is stating that it is eugenics. My assumption is that she is opposed to eugenics, so I infer disapproval of opposition to incest on that basis - but like I said I haven't looked up the account. If she did not oppose eugenics, that definitely would put a whole different spin on the vibe of the tweet I guess. Fazaden09/09/2020 Hard to tell from a single tweet, honestly Mumberthrax09/09/2020 i just took a look at the account she is one of you guys https://twitter.com/NLRG_/status/1303524877589262336 ???? Neoliberal Rat Goddess? (@NLRG_) abortion serial killers https://t.co/dBJXMRHNVN Twitter xD Fazaden09/09/2020 If there a specific reason you posted the first tweet? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I saw it on the internet and thought it was interesting Fazaden09/09/2020 Ok, but why was it interesting enough to share? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 i made my submission statement Fazaden09/09/2020 Are you interested in actually starting a discussion? Or are you not-so-subtly trying to imply that people are supporting incest or eugenics? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 bro, I posed my thoughts and presented it here to invite others opinions on the topic. How do you infer that me posting it suggests that you or anyone other than this lady support incest or eugenics? Fazaden09/09/2020 Because that's kinda what you do Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I don't believe that that is accurate If I wanted to imply that you guys are anything, it would be less about incest and more about other crimes Fazaden09/09/2020 "This liberal said something wacky, I thought it was interesting" Mumberthrax09/09/2020 yes On the surface it does appear wacky and it prompted the questions i mentioned above which are not so wacky Listen, fazaden, I know you can't stand me being on your servers at all. If you want to ban me, you don't need to work so hard to concoct a reason. Just pull the trigger. Deaygo09/09/2020 You've given plenty of reason Mumberthrax09/09/2020 False Deaygo09/09/2020 Not false, "Hey! We should commit genocide!" obviously paraphrasing Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Which was obviously a joke because it was in the context of opposition to abortion, which is literal genocide and i said as much moment after Fazaden09/09/2020 I'm too active of a participant here to pass judgment on bans, I try to stick to the occasional mute/channel slowdown when things get too hot Narissis09/09/2020 I think "one of you guys" is the most telling phrase from this whole conversation. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 the people on the server here who i was talking with yesterday who all support abortion? those are the people I was referring to Fazaden09/09/2020 "Seek first to understand, and then to be understood" It's easy to judge people, label them, and sort them away as "good" or "evil" Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Clearly I'm the evil one for not wanting to kill babies Fazaden09/09/2020 See, that kind of thing right there is the problem That style of sarcasm. I hate when other people do it to you, and when you do it to other people Abortion is probably the single messiest political issue out there, which is why it's so effective as a wedge issue to divide people Mumberthrax09/09/2020 It's not messy, imo. You either oppose it, or you are one of several differently opinions groups on when it's ok and why. opinioned* Fazaden09/09/2020 Messy in terms of how strongly people feel about it, but that's not my main point Mumberthrax09/09/2020 The people who oppose it are simply unwilling to change their opinions once they enter that camp So for them, it definitely is a hard out Fazaden09/09/2020 My point is that it's bad form to make assumptions (and snarky scarcastic remarks) about the beliefs of others. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I think that tends to frustrate their opponents Which assumptions have been made? You and several others in this channel have been vocal about your stances on the topic GM GK09/09/2020 The large number of people who are against abortion are against it for religious reasons. The problem is that in making that their single-issue, they completely ignore literally every single other thing in their faith. Fazaden09/09/2020 "Clearly I'm the evil one for not wanting to kill babies" I disagree with you on a lot of issues, but I don't think you're evil or anything Mumberthrax09/09/2020 GMGK did you see the link i posted yesterday? its my favorite site on the topic - http://secularprolife.org/ secularprolife Home | secularprolife You're right that it was sarcasm and me using sarcasm is something that I have tried to not do in the past - it was directed mainly at the attacks from apogee, torteela, toby etc. sorry meant to link this page on the site specifically GM https://www.secularprolife.org/abortion secularprolife Abortion | secularprolife I do find it funny that more time is spent policing my own tone than the tone of my detractors Fazaden09/09/2020 I'm sure you remember a while back, certain comments were made involving fisting. They were massively out of line. Joking about genocide is on that same level Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no that is nowhere near the same and you know it I know you have a tendency to misrepresent the truth, perhaps you even believe it when you say things like that, but this is simply false. Fazaden09/09/2020 And you have a tendency to label things that you disagree with as false, but thats beside the point Mumberthrax09/09/2020 No, I disagree with things that are lies and i speak the truth GM GK09/09/2020 Feeling strongly about something is one thing. Ignoring Rule 1 to try to convey that isn't. Angry ranting about a topic does not sway others to your side. If you're not trying to sway others to your side, then why are you still talking? Narissis09/09/2020 Yes, people do tend to take more offense at the agent provocateur than at the provoked. Funny that. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 You should really make a #meta channel so people can have these conversations without disrupting political discussion Fazaden09/09/2020 Then let's have an actual political discussion, then. Got any opinions on electoral fraud? Or, on a related note, the hampering of the USPS? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I heard donald trump is stealing postal trucks loading them up on trailers Fazaden09/09/2020 Any serious opinions? I'm really trying to have a good faith discussion here Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I am serious. you heard about that surely? I forget which celebrity it was who tweeted it People genuinely believe that conservatives, the GOP, operatives of the white house, etc. are stealing mail trucks and removing post office drop boxes to try to stifle mail-in voting. The funny thing is, mail is being destroyed by postal workers So its one of those weird things where both sides have part of the picture Fazaden09/09/2020 Both things can happen at the same time, mumber. This isn't a zero-sum game here Mumberthrax09/09/2020 How wise zero-sum game means something else Fazaden09/09/2020 Do you have any issues with the dismantling of mail sorting machines? Any problems with the increasing delays in mail? Narissis09/09/2020 Also, I don't think anyone is arguing that the president and his staff are personally going around unbolting mailboxes. But they sure did insert a loyalist postmaster general who's making changes on multiple fronts that are baffling and serve no other purpose but delaying mail, and which many postal workers are pointing out as such. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 ah found it. i saw this just the other day https://kfor.com/news/surveillance-video-shows-bags-of-mail-being-dumped-in-california-spas-parking-lot/ KFOR.com Oklahoma City KFOR-TV and K. Querry Surveillance video shows bags of mail being dumped in California sp... Piles of mail were found in two separate locations in Glendale Thursday morning, including one incident where a rented truck was captured on surveillance video dumping bags of unopened letters and … Here's the other one that is perhaps even more important for people to check out https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/ New York Post Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades. Mail-in ballots have bec… Fazaden09/09/2020 And in your mind, does this justify the dismantling of the USPS? Because neither of these issues caused the other We can talk about both today Mumberthrax09/09/2020 My overall opinion is that if nancy pelosi can get her hair done at a spa without a mask, if people can protest in close quarters, then mail-in voting in the way that it is being pushed in some places should not be needed if someone is elderly or at-risk, they should do absentee voting, if they are concerned about going to polling locations, imo i don't think the USPS should be dismantled Deaygo09/09/2020 Except that absentee voting IS mail in voting... Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no it isn't the same thing there is a distinction Deaygo09/09/2020 yes, yes it is... Fazaden09/09/2020 A very pedantic distinction, in practice they're the same thing Mumberthrax09/09/2020 one is easily susceptible to fraud the other is not so susceptible Fazaden09/09/2020 Based on the links you posted, any ballot sent through the mail is susceptible to fraud Whether you apply for a ballot or one is automatically sent to you based on voter registration, in the end you're still sending it through the mail Stalling the mail like DeJoy is doing hurts both kind of ballots Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Yes fraud is possible for absentee ballots absolutely, and it has happened in the past and absentee ballots are still less susceptible than the mass-delivered mail-in ballots being done now for an absentee ballot, you have to request it for example for the current slapshod mail-in voting being done many places, ballots are just being sent out Fazaden09/09/2020 And in your mind, who are these mass-delivered ballots being sent to? Everyone with a mailbox? Registered voters? People that are eligible to register? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 theoretically and ideally, one is sent to every eligible voter's registered address Fazaden09/09/2020 Do you feel like that is currently not happening in practice? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 That does not appear to be what is happening in practice, no. I know several people who have received as many as five ballots in the mail. One family has received a ballot for their deceased cat. Fazaden09/09/2020 And do you think those votes would actually get counted if they were all sent in? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 It would depend on who is doing the counting and who is delivering them Fazaden09/09/2020 By now, you've seen the story about the supposed 1000 or so people in GA who allegedly tried to vote twice Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I have not, and I am not surprised robr09/09/2020 the fact it was caught shows the system works. Fazaden09/09/2020 The key word is "tried". For the most part, election officials are good at catching that kind of thing Mumberthrax09/09/2020 lol You ought to read that nypost article if you haven't already Regardless, however this election goes - barring an unmistakeable landslide for President Trump, at least one side is going to claim fraud. Fazaden09/09/2020 I've read the article before, yes, and others like it Mumberthrax09/09/2020 We've seen so far that the political left is more than willing to employ mob violence when things are not going their way. The question is would MAGA people be willing to do the same? Fazaden09/09/2020 There was a guy in North Carolina who pulled similar stunts Where they'd collect ballots from people under the guise of being helpful, and fuck with them Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Right. So the idea that you came across an instance where individuals trying to vote twice were caught, it means nothing compared to the times you haven't heard about where nobody was caught it doesn't mean the system is working as we the public would intend Fazaden09/09/2020 Or all the times where people were illegally prevented from voting in the first place Mumberthrax09/09/2020 This is why I say the only case where cries of fraud will be minimal would be if the God Emperor wins in a massive landslide Fazaden09/09/2020 We've already seen claims of fraud in the past, like the whole "busses of illegals" comment that made the rounds in 2016 In your personal opinion, what do you think would happen if it went the other way around? If Biden won by 10% or more? A source for my North Carolina comment: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud NPR.org North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege B... Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I do not know. I think it would depend on what narrative appears to be credible in the political right at the time. As you know, conservatives tend to be of a disposition to adhere to whatever the rules are Fazaden09/09/2020 See, I can't say that I agree with that At least, not for conservative politicians Mumberthrax09/09/2020 We've seen, for instance how the cries about gay marriage have simply disappeared after the supreme court ruled on it I am talking about conservatives as people they are largely passive however Fazaden09/09/2020 I don't see conservatives as a monolithic entity, no overarching political group is Mumberthrax09/09/2020 conservatives are no longer the only faction on the political right Fazaden09/09/2020 They're certainly not the loudest Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Especially with all of the moderates and independents, and even some democrats, who have joined with the MAGA populist movement, not to mention the nationalists and real radicals, not all of these people may be accustomed to the normal conservative pattern of fussing against something and then inevitably compromising and too, many conservatives are more energized than in the past many old neocons are losing influence so it really depends Fazaden09/09/2020 And? democratic turnout has been pretty similarly energized, especially when you compare 2016 and 2018 Mumberthrax09/09/2020 ok Fazaden09/09/2020 The actual election results aren't really something we can theorize about yet, too much can happen between now and November Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you asked what i thought would happen i said i don't know Fazaden09/09/2020 Fair enough. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 i mentioned several elements that make it hard to predict Fazaden09/09/2020 My main worry is that if Biden does win, that Trump tries to decide that the election doesnt count. Not to say that he'll actually try that, but he's made quite a few worrying statements Like the whole "And then after that, we'll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years." Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Considering how much the political left has demonized the populists, I can definitely see a possibility that it would not be peaceful. a lot of people are unhappy. flyover states basket of deplorables torteela09/09/2020 Not a good look, 190,000 people dying so far because trump thought he would look bad. That's 47,500 Benghazis. Some choice quotes: “You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.” “This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob-woodward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658 NBC News Trump told Bob Woodward he knew in February that COVID-19 was ‘dead... "It's not just old people," Trump told Woodward, acknowledging the gravity of the disease, the Washington Post reported. Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. “I wanted to always play it down,” the president said. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 This is old news GM GK09/09/2020 It's current news. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 he already said months ago that he tried to prevent panic by downplaying things all that is new is this recording Fazaden09/09/2020 If violence does happen, I don't think it would happen for the same reasons that you do torteela09/09/2020 It's old news that trump is responsible for 47,500 Benghazis? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 what reasons do I think would cause violence, fazaden? Fazaden09/09/2020 Biden losing At least, that's what you've implied, please do correct me if I'm wrong Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no, I'm saying that its possible that if it appears to the populists that the election was cheated in favor of biden, depending on the narrative and the apparent intel, or appearances of censorship, you may well see the political right stop restraining itself like it has been. torteela09/09/2020 By stop restraining itself you mean they'll murder people You're advocating for murder, yes? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 saying that something might happen doesn't mean that it will, or that I am advocating for it, torteela. I'm sorry you didn't process that. torteela09/09/2020 "I'm not advocating for it, i just agree with everything they agree with" Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no, and that is exactly the sort of thing that you will get a mild critique for from fazaden without anything like the tone policing I receive. I understand that the prospect is scary it doesn't mean that we want it torteela09/09/2020 But you will do it if you think you've been slighted? That's the implication from that statement Fazaden09/09/2020 Violence typically doesn't just spontaneously erupt, it takes time Mumberthrax09/09/2020 who is "you"? torteela09/09/2020 You're a trump supporter, on the political right in this country Mumberthrax09/09/2020 yes though I tend to favor some of the values and ideas normally relegated to the political left torteela09/09/2020 no, I'm saying that its possible that if it appears to the populists that the election was cheated in favor of biden, depending on the narrative and the apparent intel, or appearances of censorship, you may well see the political right stop restraining itself like it has been. @Mumberthrax so that's you, yes? are you personally going to participate in the violence you're predicting? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I don't have any plans to go storm the capitol if that's what you're asking. I will adequately defend myself and my family though if order breaks down and your people threaten them. torteela09/09/2020 Do you disavow and condemn any potential violence that results from the election, no matter the side? I do Mumberthrax09/09/2020 no actually now that I think about it Fazaden09/09/2020 ditto Mumberthrax09/09/2020 if order breaks down Fazaden09/09/2020 ........if Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I fully condone the hunting of pedophiles by roving militias and trained killers GM GK09/09/2020 Without the judicial system getting in the way? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 this would be in the instance where the judicial system has lost all credibility/function We're talking about a case where the government, apart from very local, ceases to function So if there are any pedos hanging out on this server for a kids game reading this, you had better do your best to not let things fall apart. torteela09/09/2020 That's not what anyone was talking about, no Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you are mistaken because that is what i was talking about torteela09/09/2020 *anyone but you Fazaden09/09/2020 And I'd love a 90% tax on income above a few hundred million, but lets try to get back to present-day issues Mumberthrax09/09/2020 the question was what would happen if biden wins, and the populists reject the result the possibility is that in that case, depending on what the narrative on the right is, things could go far worse than you might imagine Narissis09/09/2020 "I've decided that this person is a pedophile based on fringe conspiracy theories ungrounded in reality, time to execute them in cold blood!" Yeah, nothing wrong with that. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Narissis, do you believe pedophiles exist? or human trafficking Fazaden09/09/2020 Militias are trouble enough as it is , no need to give them any kind of real power Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you don't understand, fazaden. in the case where the government ceases to function, right wing death squads will be the people you want on your side. torteela09/09/2020 It's a Q/extremist tactic, to say they want to kill pedophiles/child traffickers, then call their enemies those things, and if you ask for any kind of proof or due process they say you're also those things he's not interested in real discussion GM GK09/09/2020 Very witch hunt. Fazaden09/09/2020 Hell to the no, I dont trust anyone who thinks they can take the law into their own hands and control who lives and who dies Mumberthrax09/09/2020 more personal attacks lacking substance, and nothing more than a light chastisement will be delivered - if at all but thats ok torteela09/09/2020 I wasn't wrong, and if you felt that was a personal attack that's on you Narissis09/09/2020 "You don't buy into the thoroughly debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory that there is a pedophile ring in the highest echelons of the political left, therefore you must be arguing that pedophiles don't exist." Perfect logic. Flawless. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Who is it that you believe i was referring to when I said that I condone the hunting and execution of pedophiles in the event that government ceases to function? torteela09/09/2020 As I said yesterday and as mumber ignored, pizzagate is harmful to rescuing actual victims of child trafficking. The Q movement doesn't care about children, it cares about itself. Just like Trump Anyone your movement doesn't like and will therefore claim is a pedophile robr09/09/2020 oh we've moved on to the purge now? Fazaden09/09/2020 We're getting too into the weeds here guys, let's start getting away from hypotheticals Mumberthrax09/09/2020 that was the question fazaden posed what might happen if biden won by 10% Fazaden09/09/2020 Yes, I asked, you answered, and people started piling on. Let's move on Narissis09/09/2020 We were talking about political left vs. political right and you brought up pedophiles unprompted. The implication was extremely obvious and you're being intellectually dishonest by trying to play innocent. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I predict though that it wouldn't be anything like 10% no, i was asked if i disavowed any violence that might happen and given we were talking about all the possible results one of which was a complete breakdown of government I said, and I stand by, that I fully condone the hunting down and execution of pedophiles. in that instance. I don't know why you want to call me intellectually dishonest instead of actually reading the conversation. torteela09/09/2020 So you don't actually care about 'law and order' or 'the rule of law'? Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I'm sorry you're having a hard time reading torteela We are talking about a case where the justice system lacks any credibility or functionality torteela09/09/2020 *Where you claim it lacks that credibility. Mumberthrax09/09/2020 as has been said multiple times torteela09/09/2020 Anyways, sorry faz, we can move on Mumberthrax09/09/2020 it is purely a hypothetical situation, again torteela09/09/2020 I'm just disturbed Mumberthrax09/09/2020 you should be Fazaden09/09/2020 Yes, let's get back to the original topic: mail fraud and the post office Do you see any truth to the narrative that slowing down the mail is an attempt to influence the election? torteela09/09/2020 My hot take: No republican really cares about election security because electronic voting with no paper trail is more insecure than anything, and they don't care about that Fazaden09/09/2020 Personally, i think it's pretty damn likely. It's definitely suspicious given the Postmaster General's political leanings, as well as a few on the board Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Its certainly true that few republicans, or any politician for that matter, are talking about the inherent risks and failures of electronic voting. torteela09/09/2020 https://apnews.com/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f/APNewsBreak:-Georgia-election-server-wiped-after-suit-filed AP NEWS APNewsBreak: Georgia election server wiped after suit filed A computer server crucial to a lawsuit against Georgia election officials was quietly wiped clean by its custodians just after the suit was filed, The Associated Press has learned. The server's data was destroyed July 7 by technicians at the Center for Elections Systems at Ken... Mumberthrax09/09/2020 I intentionally always opt for a paper ballot but even still, they are counted by a computer and transmitted electronically regardless Fazaden09/09/2020 https://apnews.com/b05eb0c7f595de99adcffeed8f7f17f4 AP NEWS Postal chief under fire over alleged campaign law violations WASHINGTON (AP) — Postmaster General Louis DeJoy is facing increased scrutiny as House Democrats investigate allegations that he encouraged employees at his former business to contribute to... torteela09/09/2020 Much like anything else, right-wing america claims to care about something only when they think they can get something out of it This isn't about election security, it's about planting the idea that the election results can't be trusted, so Trump can continue in office no matter what Fazaden09/09/2020 In my state, an engineering firm that committed campaign finance violations like that saw most of its members do jail time cmchappell09/09/2020 Republican party does well when voter turn out is low. Them suppressing votes is par for the course same old same old :yawning_face: Mumberthrax09/09/2020 Won't you be happier, torteela, when biden and harris support the secession of cascadia and you don't have to deal with "right wing america" in your governance any longer? torteela09/09/2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus the Guardian Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was eas... President dismissed Democratic-led push for voter reforms amid coronavirus pandemic during Fox & Friends appearance This is what it's really about Fazaden09/09/2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/08/19/reports-of-dismantled-usps-sorting-machines-continue-despite-dejoy-announcing-halt/#2bc6d3f526b9 Forbes Reports Of Dismantled USPS Sorting Machines Continue Despite DeJoy ... DeJoy is set to testify before Congress about service changes as states move forward with lawsuits amid widespread delays and mail-in ballot fears. tl;dr of that article: he lied Mumberthrax09/09/2020 as we doing the rapidfire link posting now, with one-line submission statements? ;D are* Fazaden09/09/2020 No, because I'm announcing my statement/opinion first, and then backing it up with sources I'm setting up a pattern that there's some corruption going on in the recently-installed USPS leadership I support the theory that they're messing with the mail to disenfranchise voters, but even if you disagree with the why of that statement, the what of it is pretty concrete: mail is being slowed across the board, and people are hurting because of it Ballots aren't the only things being affected here And it's not just DeJoy (the postmaster general) either; there's plenty of swamp to go around: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/03/usps-board-of-governors-robert-duncan-republican-party the Guardian Head of USPS board of governors has high-level ties to Republican p... Robert Duncan, who has deep links with Mitch McConnell and major GOP groups, has declined to rein in the postmaster general I'm going to head out for now, but please do give the links a read-through. There's strong evidence here of government corruption, I'd like to know if you feel otherwise cmchappell09/09/2020 There should be more focus on how to de-radicalize people in the age of disinformation. Hopefully we make it through these crazy times. tobylane09/09/2020 So how’s the engaging with the troll going? CMC there are projects for that, but as they exist to educate the misinformed the trumpers feel targeted and get angry cmchappell09/09/2020 Fair. I've seen a couple of people talking about doing it. Though it always seemed very small scale And their efforts seemed really good, but it's hard to do it for everyone that truly needs it robr09/09/2020 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump/2020/09/09/0368fe3c-efd2-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html?tid=a_classic-iphone&no_nav=true&arc404=true Washington Post Woodward book: Trump says he knew coronavirus was ‘deadly’ and wors... In new book ‘Rage,’ Trump says he deliberately played down threat of pandemic and says he feels no responsibility to better understand the anger and pain of Black Americans. well that's a fun collection of tapes tobylane09/09/2020 Why does Trump like Woodward enough to talk to him, I’d have guessed he hates him for Watergate GM GK09/09/2020 Probably because nothing Trump says will dissuade anyone else from changing their mind about him at this point, so YOLO. robr09/09/2020 haha "Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, is quoted by Woodward as saying, “The most dangerous people around the president are overconfident idiots,” wow - never thought i'd agree with kushner about anything, but that's spot on. Apogee09/09/2020 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-administration-tax-cut-service-members-must-be-repaid-2021-n1239576 NBC News Short-term tax cut for service members must be repaid in early 2021 Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey said young families will spend the apparent pay raise and then get "kicked in the chops" when they must repay the taxes in 2021. This is so pointless and is probably gonna screw a bunch of people over who don't realize they have to pay it back. torteela09/09/2020 Another thing is the $300/week unemployment benefits came from a FEMA disaster relief fund. Hopefully none of these many hurricanes hit us or we'll be in a real bad spot, on top of the fires that are already consuming the west Also, raiding a FEMA disaster fund for a jobs program was literally a plot on House of Cards robr09/09/2020 all the states out here are run by democrats, he doesn't give the slightest fuck about anybody over here any republicans in our states are just collateral damage Apogee09/09/2020 https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/us/salt-lake-city-police-shoot-boy-autism-trnd/index.html CNN A 13-year-old boy with autism was shot by police after his mother c... Linden Cameron, who has Asperger's, was seriously injured after a police officer shot him in Salt Lake City on Friday night, his mother confirmed to CNN. 09/08/2020 Don't worry, they're not gonna investigate themselves, they're going to let the police from the next town over do it. :upside_down: shanty_sniper09/09/2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54053811 BBC News Gender reveal party blamed for California wildfire Authorities say a "pyrotechnic device" at the event started one of several blazes in the state. uhhh, american peeps, this true or nah? its bbc so im sceptical Maradyne (Pyr0mrcow)09/09/2020 @Mumberthrax canadian acquaintance was likely talking about John Oliver I'd guess The Neuralink thing is interesting. There's been talk of using it to replace lost limbs and such, reading brain activity to identify intention and send it to a prosthetic; basically wifi nerves. Also already been animal testing for installing and uninstalling the Neuralink prototypes without causing damage; looks promising. The takeaway is that VR isn't nessecary, you can be a catgirl cyborg irl. robr09/09/2020 shanty it’s sadly true shanty_sniper09/09/2020 thats actually so crazy Maradyne (Pyr0mrcow)09/09/2020 Haven't been able to find the video of the fire starting, but yea, that's what the Cali agencies are reporting. shanty_sniper09/09/2020 1 gender reveal causing over 7000 acres of destruction youd never think that like, thats saddening af Maradyne (Pyr0mrcow)09/09/2020 Mm. Normally campfires are more of the assumed human cause. Well, there's a reason for the big flashing signs forest services put up telling people to not set off fireworks. Apogee09/09/2020 This isn't even the largest wildfire set off by a gender reveal in the US. omEon09/10/2020 Once that investigation is complete, the information will be turned into the district attorney's office, who will conduct their own investigation, Wilking said. The city also has a civilian review board that investigates complaints regarding police conduct. The city also has a civilian review board that investigates complaints regarding police conduct. Also, West Valley City is the 2nd largest city in Utah Salt Lake City is the largest For further context All three are seperate investigations, and all have the same access to any and all information shanty_sniper09/10/2020 i find it hilarious that there is a provo city near salt lake omEon09/10/2020 Its like an hour on the interstate Not too close Around a mountain Literally shanty_sniper09/10/2020 close when you look at google maps lol, seen a place called provo city and i start laughing my head off lol omEon09/10/2020 Lol Provo is a real nice city Better than mine Just a combination of two old townships shanty_sniper09/10/2020 it looks nice enough tbh on their little website lol omEon09/10/2020 Lol They have a nice flag too I'm pretty sure By nice I mean it looks pretty Bad design for flags robr09/10/2020 provo is where they had all the kidnap camps for bad kids when i was in high school - knew a kid that disappeared to one shanty_sniper09/10/2020 oh their website changed omEon09/10/2020 Kidnap camps? We have our share of WCC but kidnap camps?! Just don't bring up the mafia presence Lol robr09/10/2020 yeah, where parents who cant deal with their “difficult kids” would temporarily sign over their parental rights so these reform camps could basically kidnap the kids and wisk them away to the woods outside provo shanty_sniper09/10/2020 theres a bar in salt lake called the republican hahahahah love it so is this where they were trained to fight the state robr :stuck_out_tongue: omEon09/10/2020 There is an old leather couch out on the shore of the Great Salt Lake and its registered as a 24/7 nightclub, see if you can find it shanty_sniper09/10/2020 lmaoo how is that possible omEon09/10/2020 Some guy decided to add it and google hasn't taken it down i guess Its funny though I've been to it I think its called the old salty couch or something shanty_sniper09/10/2020 is it on the shoreline? i may have found it hahaha omEon09/10/2020 Lol, yep One of the pictures featured should have it partially submerged Its just a couch And old leather couch shanty_sniper09/10/2020 aye theres no other way to describe it tbh lmao robr09/10/2020 i’ve heard the bouncer there is super selective omEon09/10/2020 Lol Just a couch surrounded by a crusty and salty ground That's literally it shanty_sniper09/10/2020 https://youtu.be/4o-B6TiUjQc YouTube The Droning Veteran The Salty Leather Couch omEon09/10/2020 You also saw the tallest structure in Utah in that video Nice pick Its the grey tower at the beginning Its part of the smelter for the Rio Tinto Kennecott Copper Mine On the other side of the mountain is the mine itself Its just a massive open pit mine Basically dug out an entire mountain For that good old copper Mumberthrax09/10/2020 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/coming-coup Zero Hedge The Coming Coup Democrats are laying the groundwork for revolution right in front of our eyes... submission statement: link pertains to previous discussions about the election and what happens when one side doesn't concede - specifically about the people openly saying they will not concede and would advocate civil war and a military coup Narissis09/10/2020 Rebuttal: contents of link destination are the insane ramblings of lunatics reporting with clear and obvious bias, an agenda, no basis whatsoever in reality or rationality, and dangerously misrepresenting quotes and citations by taking them so far out of context it boggles the mind. For instance the article misrepresenting a statement from Joe Biden about removing Trump forcibly from office if he refuses to leave as describing a coup to take place should he win the election, when the statement is actually in reference to what should happen if Trump loses the election and attempts to remain in power anyway. tobylane09/10/2020 I’m not going to click the link and give the alt right a view, but the embed summary and Mumbers summary are opposed. No one sane has suggested that once the votes are counted democrats would revolt over their loss. It’s projecting yet again, the republicans already planning to declare early and use guns to back up their fake win, seeking legitimacy by saying anyone would be that evil Foxy Grandpa09/10/2020 https://www.allsides.com/news-source/zerohedge-media-bias AllSides ZeroHedge Media Bias Rating Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of ZeroHedge. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers. According to AllSides they're a lean right generally doesn't apply to the type of person who wrote that specific article though tobylane09/10/2020 Pretty good chart. I’d like to see the guardian and economist split out into news and opinion It needs a mile of white space between centre and lean right and right to accurately display the spectrum Foxy Grandpa09/10/2020 Indeed, and the best part is that it's the community of the website who votes on it not the website itself schererererer09/10/2020 charts like this really throw the shortcomings of left-right spectra into sharp relief - the economist can really be characterized as left, right, radical centrist, or classical liberal (or center-socialLeft-libertarian) depending on who is classifying it (and based upon which issues) tobylane09/10/2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/ikyo91/rightwing_comedians_not_funny_enough_for_bbc/ the article of the post is UK specific but the comments are US, the difference between the unfunny right wingers who desperately need to target someone they oppose versus the funny right wingers who cover a lot of ground. Norm McDonald, Kelsey Grammar and Bill Burr come up several times reddit r/television - Rightwing comedians not funny enough for BBC shows, ... 935 votes and 881 comments so far on Reddit Maradyne (Pyr0mrcow)09/10/2020 "IMHO there’s a fine line between being a political comedian and a political “comedian”. Most comedians that I enjoy won’t hesitate to get political but it’s never their whole act." Comment that generally describes where I am, haha. Even in normal conversation, it's difficult to stay completely out of politics while having a meaningful conversation...but it isn't everything. There are plenty of other things that give life meaning. Same applied to religion when I lived in the south (US), though religion rarely ever comes up at all now that I live in the west. Comedy is most enjoyable when it's relatable. I've moved around a lot, had a variety of experiences, known a variety of people...so I like comedy covering a variety of things; never too much of any one subject, or one comedian for that matter. I mention this because I genuinely wonder about the opposite end of the spectrum. To someone with a less varied life, for instance some of the people back home who would seemingly obsess over nothing but how much they hated certain groups, political affiliations, other religions, public figures... Comedians, politicians, anchors, ect who do the same thing are probably just as satisfying to them, because they would be relatable. It does feel good to think that someone understands you. shanty_sniper09/10/2020 @tobylane yeah that charts great up to the point you see the BBC in the centre BBC have always leaned right actually, UK media is the most right wing in europe i love the glazing BBC has put on the UK govt breaking international law tobylane09/10/2020 They're pro government, and we haven't had a proper left party in power for 30 years robr09/10/2020 pfft, your "right" is amateur hour over there.. we'd call them democrats here shanty_sniper09/10/2020 no, they are pro tory they have made that clear over the years, atleast 10 tobylane09/10/2020 And they're slightly more afraid of the tories who threaten to dismantle them, than labour who know better than to talk to the press like that shanty_sniper09/10/2020 slightly would be a downplay, although labour knows not to treat media like that, the torys have their claws pretty deep into the BBC now torteela09/10/2020 I guess these are just going to keep dropping all week https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-woodward-i-saved-his-ass-mbs-khashoggi-rage-2020-9 Business Insider 'I saved his a--': Trump boasted that he protected Saudi Crown Prin... Trump said MBS told him he was innocent and then stressed Saudi Arabia's importance as a US trading partner. The CIA found MBS ordered the killing. 09/10/2020 cmchappell09/10/2020 I mean they weren't subtle about it at the time torteela09/10/2020 I guess to hear that he did it from his own mouth, obviously thinking covering up the murder of a journalist investigating corruption, as a good thing is just kinda shocking Imagine if Obama did that how much Republicans would be investigating and kicking up a storm Fazaden09/10/2020 Hell, if Obama did that, I'd be kicking up a storm Zaliek09/10/2020 Honestly mumber of a year ago and of now reminds me of a good friend who became schizophrenic. The complete loss of attachment to reality with some random lucid moments where there is no awareness of what transpired before it was abnormal Zaliek09/10/2020 I hope you can get the help you need. I'm concerned torteela09/10/2020 Also, the Ukrainian parliamentarian who initially accused Biden of all that dumb Ukraine stuff was just designated a Russian asset by the Treasury Department https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118 Also not a good look for Giuliani and Trump torteela09/10/2020 Also, anyone else noticing this revisionist history that Trump immediately shut down the country and did a bunch of stuff to stop covid and took it really seriously? Because I'm seeing a lot of that on my facebook BreezyTheIdiot09/10/2020 Trump 2020!!!!! robr09/10/2020 living up to your name BreezyTheIdiot09/10/2020 Huh Look at that I gotta say two words and people go apeshit Narissis09/10/2020 Jumping the gun a bit on the trolling attempt, there, declaring people to have gone apeshit when nobody really said much of anything. BreezyTheIdiot09/10/2020 ^^^^ Apogee09/10/2020 Mumber could also just be a troll. shanty_sniper09/10/2020 https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/nancy-pelosi-brexit-congress-uk-gbr-intl/index.html CNN Pelosi warns 'no chance' of US-UK trade deal if Brexit violates int... Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has warned that Britain will be unable to secure a trade deal with the US if it does anything to undermine the treaty that brought peace to Northern Ireland after decades of violence. 09/10/2020 Mumberthrax09/10/2020 @Zaliek wot. you calling me schizo? shanty_sniper09/10/2020 https://youtu.be/xQ1jEQkTx64?t=529 YouTube Channel 4 News EU threatens to take UK government to court over proposed changes t... brendan boyle speaking in this video too Mumberthrax09/10/2020 @BreezyTheIdiot don't take it too bad, the people that hang out in this channel are mostly all afflicted with TDS. :stuck_out_tongue: BreezyTheIdiot09/10/2020 <3 shanty_sniper09/10/2020 @Mumberthrax ive heard a lot of democrats chiming in about a border in ireland, i havent seen much from the GOP, but if there is please link me Apogee09/10/2020 Thick D*ck Syndrome :eggplant: :weary: Mumberthrax09/10/2020 a border in ireland? shanty_sniper09/10/2020 yes, which could be the case soon BreezyTheIdiot09/10/2020 my COCK is HUGE shanty_sniper09/10/2020 part of the GFA being that there is to be no physical border that amplifies partition, the USA being a co guarentor of that accord Mumberthrax09/10/2020 I don't think that it's something that I've seen discussed. Most people I know support the irish people, in particular those who are opposed to foreign oppressors. But the GOP tends to be slow and developmentally stunted. BreezyTheIdiot09/10/2020 am not undrstan poltic ;c Should I continue my rag talk or nah? shanty_sniper09/10/2020 i would have expected something from peter king about it atleast tbh Mumberthrax09/10/2020 imo ireland should be populated by and controlled by the Irish people. The political parties in my country should not dictate what you do, or how you run things. shanty_sniper09/10/2020 that is true, however peace accords that the US made itself one of the 3 co guarantor must be respected, and when the torys are willing to break international law and effectivly scrap that peace accord, its always nice for the co guarentors to apply pressure to protect that accord as well as that, cross party resolutions being presented in house of reps in reaffirment in protecting the GFA made only in december of last year Mumberthrax09/10/2020 Like I said, it isn't something that I hear talked about. I haven't read up on what all agreements and compacts the US government has signed and is enforcing or not enforcing. If we made an agreement, then we should adhere to it to the letter - unless it is morally/ethically wrong. I assume you know much more about it than I do, even if my country's politicians in the past were a part of the process. shanty_sniper09/10/2020 it does have strong local implications for myself so i have tried to keep up with it as best i can heh if you like there would be some information within this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Envoy_for_Northern_Ireland United States Special Envoy for Northern Ireland The United States Special Envoy for Northern Ireland or more formally, the Special Envoy of the President and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland is the top U.S. diplomat supporting the Northern Ireland peace process. Mumberthrax09/10/2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98 YouTube corbettreport 9/11: A Conspiracy Theory In honor of the anniversary of the events of september eleventh 2001 in my country. tobylane09/11/2020 I honour events with truth, gross to do otherwise Oh, the gop, that Trump leads, is slow and developmentally disabled? Didn’t know he had such a direct influence torteela09/11/2020 I put this together for somewhere else but thought I might as well post it here: I really don't get this bullshit revisionist history that Trump somehow shut down the country to save everyone. Dem governors (and eventually republican ones) shutdown states even as Trump disparaged them for it and encouraged people to protest against the shutdowns. Trump encouraging protests against Democratic governors who issued stay-at-home orders in April: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/17/trump-tweets-liberate-michigan-other-states-democratic-governors/5152037002/ Trump wanting to open things up as quickly as possible in the beginning of May: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-eager-restart-economy-may-he-weighs-toughest-decision-his-n1182351 Trump not following social distancing or mask wearing at his rally in Tulsa, where Hermain Cain would catch Covid and die in June: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/workers-removed-social-distancing-stickers-before-tulsa-rally-according-to-video-and-a-person-familiar-with-the-setup/ Trump breaking gathering size restriction and mandatory mask mandate at a rally in North Carolina a few days ago: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/09/trump-rally-masks-nc/ Timeline of Trump's actions regarding Covid. Notice the Month gap between suspending travel from China and doing literally anything else. Suspending travel from Europe took another month and a half: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/timeline-and-list-government-responses-coronavirus I could keep going, but a quick google search would show plenty more articles of Trump consistently downplaying the threat of covid and failing to take action on it. tobylane09/11/2020 https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/peter-oborne-on-julian-assange-future-generations-of-journalists-will-not-forgive-us-if-we-do-not-fight-extradition/ Press Gazette Peter Oborne Peter Oborne on Julian Assange: Future generations of journalists w... Let’s imagine a foreign dissident was being held in London’s Belmarsh Prison charged with supposed espionage offences by the Chinese authorities. And that his real offence was revealing crimes committed by the Chinese Communist Party – including publishing video footage of atr... torteela09/11/2020 Ehhhhh, I don't know how I feel about calling Assange a journalist. While I do appreciate the original mission of Wikileaks and thank him for things like Collateral Murder, it's pretty obvious at some point he was either compromised by Russia or decided to work with them He's the one that pushed the Seth Rich murder conspiracy theory into the mainstream, lying that Seth was the source of the leaked emails even though he knew it was Russia. Even if he didn't know it was Russia (which he did), the leaker transferred the emails 4 days after Seth was murdered, and he continued to talk to the leaker after Seth's murder I don't think he should be charged with espionage for the Afghanistan War leaks or extradited, I just think calling him a journalist is not the right choice of word. He probably should be charged for working with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election if there are statues he could be charged under for that. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/08/drop-the-podesta-emails-senate-report-sure-seems-like-another-trump-russia-smoking-gun Vanity Fair “Drop the Podesta Emails”: Senate Report Sure Seems Like Another Tr... More details of Roger Stone’s interactions with WikiLeaks and Paul Manafort’s Russian ties don’t look great for the Trump campaign. Here's Roger Stone telling Jerome Corsi to get Assange to drop the Podesta emails to counter the Access Hollywood tape that was about to come out. So that's Trump Campaign -> Assange -> Russia Either Trump was working with Russia or he's an idiot who has no idea what anyone around him is doing. I'm not sure which is worse. Sorry for the tangent tobylane09/11/2020 Even a Russian backed Assange deserves “I don’t like what he says but I defend his right to say it” The point was about hypocrisy over the West being the totalitarian oppressor torteela09/11/2020 Colluding with hostile powers to influence the election I think crosses the line of free speech for me